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Zündung einstellen Vespa mit Zündpistole Stroboskop

Vespa ignition adjustment with flash pistol / stroboscopic lamp

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Adjust the Vespa ignition – but correctly!

The correct ignition timing is important for the thermal health of the engine:

  • Reliability
  • Durability and
  • full power delivery

Whoever tunes his Vespa, rebuilds the engine or rebuilds it in the course of a restoration, should not rely on the existing markings on the engine housing, the pole wheel and ignition base plate for ignition adjustment, but should measure it himself and adjust the Vespa ignition correctly. The correct adjustment of the ignition on your Vespa engine is easily possible with these electronic ignition timing guns for petrol engines with contact or electronic ignition -> transistor ignition system (CDI ignition as in series for ET3, PK, PX, Cosa, T5 etc.) Of course this also works with the Lambretta ignitions. With these ignition pistols you can also adjust the Lambretta ignition. With these stroboscope guns you can adjust both old 6-volt and modern 12-volt ignitions!

To the ignition light guns in the shop
In this video tutorial Vespa ignition adjustment we show you how Maryzabel and Alex adjusted the ignition on our Platonika Vespa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDv-mouT_mk&t=11s

Comparison stroboscope ignition guns for Vespa & Lambretta

3 versions: large, small and with onboard or external battery

A super-bright xenon tube and a special converging lens guarantee optimum visibility of the fixed marks on these ignition light guns: even at speeds above 8000 rpm in the near field range. The pistol is connected by means of an inductive clamp on the spark plug cable directly to the rubber insulation, without direct contact to the stranded wire. Our ignition timing guns are equipped with a rubber coating on the lens. This protector protects the plastic housing as well as the lens and ensures the longest possible enjoyment of the product.

1. Handy, mobile, operated with mono cells

Ignition light gun TRISCO-ProLITE (double-D) (- strobe lamp flash gun – ignition 6V / 12V Article No.: MN911B Zündlichtpistole -MOTO NOSTRA (Doppel-D) (- Stroboskoplampe Blitzpistole - Zündung 6V / 12VMoto Nostra Artikel-Nr.: MN911B No external power supply is required. For power supply two D-batteries (Mono, LR20, MN1300) are used, these are not included! But you can order them right here. In addition to its use as an ignition light gun, it can also be used as a working lamp!

  • small and handy
  • Batteries on board
  • Torch function
  • Rubber Protector
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2. PROLITE version for the ambitious scooter tuner

Ignition light gun TRISCO-ProLite – stroboscopic lamp flash gun – ignition 6V / 12V Article No.: MN922 Zündlichtpistole -MOTO NOSTRA- Stroboskoplampe Blitzpistole - Zündung 6V / 12VMoto Nostra Artikel-Nr.: MN912 This is the largest pistol that fits perfectly in the hand. The cable with the two crocodile clips is a robust and practical spiral cable connected to a plug on the gun. Optimal pistol for the ambitious screwdriver and tuner – PROLITE – version. No matter if 6V or 12V ignition, an external power source with 12-Volt (e.g. a car battery) is always required, unless the vehicle already has one.

  • external 12 power source required
  • practical spiral cable
  • Cable separable from housing / plug
  • for the ambitious screwdriver
  • Rubber Protector
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3. Handy and cheap 12V version

Ignition light gun TRISCO-ProLite stroboscopic lamp flash gun – ignition 6V / 12V Article No.: MN912 Zündlichtpistole -MOTO NOSTRA- Stroboskoplampe Blitzpistole - Zündung 6V / 12VMoto Nostra Artikel-Nr.: MN912 For the occasional adjustment of the ignition we have this light and handy TRISCO-ProLite ignition light gun in our programme. It lies well in the hand and of course also has the rubber protector. The cables are firmly connected to the housing of the pistol. No matter if 6V or 12V ignition, an external power source with 12-Volt (e.g. a car battery) is always required, unless the vehicle already has one.

  • external 12 power source required
  • for the hobby area
  • cheap version
  • Rubber Protector
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To the ignition light guns in the shop
These are for Vespa and Lambretta scooters: Strobo or stroboscope – lamp also strobolamp it is colloquially abbreviated among scooter drivers also ZZP. Don’t worry, you don’t need a gun licence for this pistol, you control with this ignition timing pistol also stroboscopic pistol / strobe or strobe pistol and strobe flashes the ignition timing on the scooter via flashes, flash light from the light pistol after the ignition you can adjust the ignition then flash off to control the ignition setting.

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Vespa Zündung umrüsten elektronische Zündung

Vespa conversion from contact ignition to electronic ignition

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Vespa Largeframe conversion to electronic ignition

Vespa engines of the large frame models with rotary vane intake control, e.g. Vespa VNA, VNB, VBA, VBB, VLA, GT, GTR, Sprint, Rally, PX, LML 2T, Bajaj Chetak can now be easily converted:

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Why should I convert a Vespa to electronic ignition?

These are the advantages of an electronic ignition!

After the conversion, the former weak 6Volt on-board power supply has a powerful 12Volt light output. The previously self-regulating electrical system is converted to a reliable and bulb-friendly regulator control (e.g. with BGM6690). The high-quality wiring ensures a safe transmission of the high light and ignition power. With its strong wattage, it already provides a very good light output when idling, which does not collapse even when using the indicators or additional power consumers. No maintenance necessary! Maintenance work, as usual with contact ignition, is not necessary.

Our new bgm ignition: specially developed for the conversion of contact controlled engines to a maintenance free electronic ignition:

The latest version of the proven bgm PRO HP (High Power) ignition base plate for conversion from contact ignition to electronic ignition.
Suitable for e.g. Vespa Largeframe like VNA,VNB, VBA, VBB, GL, Super, Sprint, GT, GTR, TS, Rally

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bgm PRO ignition base plate

With our own brand bgm, we have revised and improved the thousandfold proven bgm PRO ignition base plate. Special attention was paid to a very high quality of the coils and the pickup.
In addition, the cabling was changed to textile-sheathed silicone cables. A special gimmick is the cord already attached to the cable branch for easy pulling the cable harness through the cable channel in the engine housing. Also the base plate now has a degree exact scaling for easy adjustment.

Compared to a conventional electronic ignition, the BGM Pro HP V2.5 ignition base plate has specially combined coil windings.
Through this the efficiency of the alternator is again clearly improved and offers with 120W a high light output.

In contrast to a Vespa PX ignition base plate, the BGM Pro HP has a longer and differently laid cable load in order to be able to mount the ignition base plate perfectly on older vehicles. Additionally it has an adapted base plate contour to fit perfectly on engines before 1977 (with a larger shaft seal seat than PX).

  • High light output (120W) through maximum number of windings
  • Proven excitation coil with copper plate for highest reliability
  • Pickup with carbon barrier layer for a clean ignition pulse
  • Cleanly processed light coils
  • High quality solder joints
  • Original cable lugs and length for very easy cabling
  • Can be combined with additional modules (PiFi, Kytronic, Agusto)

NOTE: The BGM pickup has a nominal resistance of 100 Ohm (+/- 10Ohm)

Silikonleitungen

ADVANTAGES OF SILICONE CABLES

  • Extremely temperature resistant (-40°C to +250°C))
  • Always stays flexible
  • Very good mechanical protection by the textile fabric
  • Resistant to fats, oils, alcohols, oxygen, ozone
  • Very high insulation properties

CONVERSION TO ELECTRONIC IGNITION

When converting from a contact ignition to this base plate, the use of a different fan wheel, a voltage regulator and a CDI is necessary.
A standard old voltage regulator, like the standard ignition coil, is no longer needed.
With the BGM voltage regulator BGM6690 an optional battery (12Volt battery required) can be charged while driving. The old wiring harness can still be used, however, the formerly individual circuits must be combined here, since the voltage regulator only provides one output for the complete power supply. It is easier to convert to one of our conversion wiring harnesses (e.g. 9077011).

Everything necessary for this is available individually or as a set.

Suitable for Vespa Oldie-Largeframe

The BGM ignition base plate fits all Vespa engines of the large frame models with rotary vane intake control, e.g. Vespa VNA, VNB, VBA, VBB, VLA, GT, GTR, Sprint, Rally, PX, LML 2T, Bajaj Chetak.

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Conversion set

Beside the ignition you also need some other parts to convert the engine from contact ignition to electronic ignition. We have put together a practical set for you here: BGM6661PRO

All parts are also available separately:

 

PLEASE NOTE
The alignment of the crankshaft in the engine case, and thus also the position of the pole wheel, is much more variable in the old largeframe engines (recognizable by crankshaft bearings of the same size with 25x62x12mm) than, for example, in the later PX engines.

The crankshaft bearings are not fixed in the engine housing by a snap ring, but are only fitted with a light press fit in the housing. Due to various tolerances (e.g. the width of the shaft sealing rings, worn bearing seats, orientation of the cone on the crankshaft) there may be significant deviations from the originally intended positioning of the shaft in the crankcase. Prerequisite for a correctly working ignition is a perfect alignment of the pole wheel with the ignition base plate. Otherwise the trigger surface in the pole wheel will not run parallel to the pickup, which can lead to misfiring. If the ignition does not produce a spark, the fault is usually to be found here. For easy repair we offer distance plates (BGM8000S05) for the pickup on the ignition base plate. With these distance plates the correct distance can be restored in a simple way.

 

The bgm PRO Conversion ignition fits the following models:

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Adjust Vespa ignition with the Whale

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Adjust ignition of a Vespa using “the Whale”

The Whale is a tool, which helps you, to precisely adjust the ignition of your Vespa. “The Whale V-Duo”, a calliper, is suitable for Vespa largeframe and smallframe. A suitable tool for Lambretta is being developed.

The calliper is made of two parts and comes with measuring tips that can freely be moved and an effective measuring range of about 40° each. To easily define the ignition point for static and variable ignition timing.

  • Suitable for existing fixation points at the flywheel cover
  • Set 0°-position to perfectly mark the top death centre
  • Stainless steel with resistant industrial engraving
BUY THE WHALE HERE

Video instructions adjusting Vespa ignition

This is the ultimate tutorial (in German) by Jörg Pien and Kevin Wintergrün (PX Garage Nienburg). They demonstrate three ways of adjusting the ignition of your Vespa with “The Whale”, the new ignition-tool for Vespa.

PDF instructions adjusting Vespa ignition

As an alternative you can download the instructions by Jörg Pien here:

CMD_Anleitung_The_Whale_V-Duo_DE (in German)

BUY THE WHALE HERE
Thank you CMD, Jörg Pien and Kevin Wintergrün (PX Garage Nienburg)

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Calliper for ignition adjustments -CMD The Whale V-Duo- Vespa largeframe and smallframe

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New tool for ignition adjustments of a Vespa

The calliper by CMD allows adjusting the ignition of your Vespa in only a few steps. Messschieber für Zündungseinstellung -CMD The Whale V-Duo- Vespa Largeframe und Smallframe

We closely cooperate with CMD. Therefore we suggested to design the current version of the Whale with adjustable tips, because it always took a little while to exchange the tips of the calliper.

Now you can adjust this great tool to almost any possible combination of engine casing and flywheel. Der Wal CMDTW0010 010

Adjustable tips of the calliper for any Vespa engine

Due to adjustable tips it is now possible, to quickly adapt the calliper to various conditions.

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Suitable for Vespa smallframe (PK, V50, Primavera) and largeframe, (PX, Rally, Sprint, VNB,…)

Be it an e-start flywheel of a PX

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or the other extreme; a milled flywheel of a PK with an e-start engine casing – Der Wal CMDTW0010 006

The new, adjustable tips of the calliper perfectly suit this cause. Der Wal CMDTW0010 011

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